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And like I said above, it's to each their own with what risks they are willing to take; exactly why people need to be informed, not discouraged

Yes you are exactly right clara

It's not just a risk on the host though

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the tulpa is at risk, too

Well it's not like the tulpa can have a say before they exist

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You don't know what the tulpa is willing to risk until they have already risked it

Taking steps to reduce the majority of a risk is not comparable to taking steps to reduce all of the risk all of the time. Again, look to driving. The point is to ensure that we have a reasonable bottom level of maturity and stability before a person begins to drive.

Mortality rate for tulpas is high enough as is, plus who knows what some young hosts might end up believing/doing. There's some really bizarre information out there that can very well negatively influence a host, and that can have an adverse effect on their tulpa

Age is an excellent proxy for that maturity and stability. There may be exceptions, but they should join despite the warnings and those who would turn them away, not amid neutral silence.

That is true for everyone appolo

what's the difference between passive forcing and narration?

Why are young people more at risk then other people

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Passive forcing is doing anything with your tulp well you do something else

Because of the general immaturity of younger demographics

Brain is still developing. Less broad experience means more likely to fall for falsehoods and cult-like behavior. Less maturity leads to more rash and stupid decisions founded upon a lack of self knowledge and introspection.

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Your frontal lobe doesn't stop developing until 25.

Narration Is specifically talking about what you see/do

narration is talking to your Tulpa about random stuff and they silently listen, passive forcing is focusing on your Tulpa when you are distracted or while doing other things.

Falsehoods and stupid decisions can very well be counteracted with widespread information, maybe /shrug

A teenager is not exactly well known to be the sort to make rational well founded logical decisions.

Not necessarily if people fall into certain social groups that spread toxic information

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they'll just stay in that group and not seek out counterpoints

Well that is due to stareotyped as much as anything

Toxic groups will still exist regardless of whether or not you discourage younger people

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Pushing away younger people could only redirect them to the exact groups you are talking about

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In retrospect, I don't know if Cat was ready for Tulpamancy... however, I'm glad she isn't living in fear of me or herself either.

It is not my responsibility to care for the world, only where I stand. Here, I will do the right thing. What others do is not my concern.

Emphasizing that it's big commitment that one should be mature enough to handle isn't "pushing them away." It's simply stating fact.

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the guide said "I suggest" not "nobody under the age of sixteen read any further!"

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so don't try to strawman like that

I was under the impression that we were talking about a strict limit, with comparisons to driving and whatnot

understandable.

I can understand warnings and such, those would be part of informing the younger demographic

I'm not strawmaning, I think that we shouldn't say anything about age and not doing tulpamancy

I am speaking of broadly discouraging anyone who is under 18, with exponentially more discouraging the younger they get, from making tulpa.

There is quite a bit of maturing to do between the ages of 14 to 18

We cannot prevent anyone from doing things in their own head, but we can say "this is how we think things should be"

I don't think actively discouraging them would be a good idea; it could either push them to other worse parts of the community or make them create one out of spite (a very bad decision)

Breloom, are you just speaking out of your own bias?

Informing them so they can make decisions on their own right would be the right thing, in my eyes That way ones that turn away would be for good reason, them realizing they likely wouldn't be able to cope with the impacts of having a headmate and so on

I am doing my best not to be bias

Instead of just being pushed aside to go off on their own guideless whim

I mentioned earlier, it's not up to me to control other parts of the community, nor is it up to me to control what others do in their head. If they hear what I've said and make a tulpa out of spite, what happens from there forward lies entirely on those who took the action.

How is it not your fault if you would be the one actively pushing them away?

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Without considering the impacts of your actions

advising someone not to make a tulpa if they're too young, and giving them information that'll help them if they do, are not mutually exclusive you know

I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt

I agree that there should be age warnings; but not actively targeting younger groups.

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Warnings and clear descriptions of impacts would help people make the right choices for them, not their age group

You seem to be implying there that age should not be mentioned, but I think that age is the only true effective way to communicate a message to a group that is literally not developed enough to consider the long term consequences of their actions as well as adults are. (edited)

I take tulpas way too seriously to think that there should be no mention of age.

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please don't shitpost in this channel

you want #media for that

I am kinda curious why this is in #tulpa-questions

alright.

because beginners and tulpa_discussion are always interchangeable

oh right, I guess #tulpa-discussion is more appropriate for discussion of whether there should be an age limit for making a tulpa

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oh, they're interchangeable?

I'm not even sure why it's called beginners

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they end up being that way

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since the discussion always leaves beginner territory

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I also take tulpad seriously, and I don't think it is right to have younger people disscoursged from making them because of something abritraty like age

It's not arbitrary

Age is not arbitrary, is the point

I'm fine with age being mentioned! It makes sense to warn a group that, yes, is not as developed or as mature as others by definition; hard limits and active targeting would not be the way to go when there are alternatives to make those that aren't ready turn away

What age is too young is arbitrary

Let's go to 114% and call all beginners "noobs" instead

there's been studies done on myelination and stuff

In midevil times 14 was considered adult age in some countries (edited)

Medieval times were very undeveloped and shouldn't be taken as examples?

....in medieval times people lived much shorter lives (edited)

You can still get married at 14 in some places

yes and as a result the adults back then made less wise decisions, in medieval times the life expactancy was much lower

This is pretty obvious bias for your own age, you don't seem to care about any points anyone here is making

We consider adult to mean 18 in this culture, but I think that is untrue

I'm just going to leave my opinion at "Don't just throw younger people that are interested to the side, but rather warn/inform them of whatever consequences and they will decide what risks they are willing to take"

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besides, it's not like we don't warn adults of the consequences as well

https://brainconnection.brainhq.com/2013/03/20/decision-making-is-still-a-work-in-progress-for-teenagers/ "While adults can use rational processes when facing emotional decisions, teenagers are simply not yet equipped to think through things in the same way." https://www.aacap.org/aacap/families_and_youth/facts_for_families/FFF-Guide/The-Teen-Brain-Behavior-Problem-Solving-and-Decision-Making-095.aspx "Pictures of the brain in action show that adolescents' brains work differently than adults when they make decisions or solve problems. Their actions are guided more by the emotional and reactive amygdala and less by the thoughtful, logical frontal cortex. Research has also shown that exposure to drugs and alcohol during the teen years can change or delay these developments" (edited)

Well when 5 people are making point I can't respond to all of them before the next batch of stuff is out

if someone says they're thinking about making a tulpa, there get informed of the things they should consider before making that decision (whether they're an adult or not)

That is good, we should inform people about risks

I think Reguile's actual references for studies into how critical thinking ability is directly correlated with age is rather important here.

Yes it is

ah yes, critical thinking is always important

I don't really know what to say in response though

maybe rethink your position from one that isn't so colored by your own biases?

My point in linking those articles is that age is absolutely not arbitrary

Lol you act as though you don't have bias

if you do strongly feel that you belong here, and are fine in making a tulpa, I don't disagree with your decision.

I have bias for the well-being of tulpas

You are acting like I don't care about tulpas

That said, one point I would like to make: The information is available, regardless of age. Guides and similar are public. However, I absolutely agree that there should be discouragement inversely proportional to age, because there is a demonstrable link between are and capability of critical thought and consideration of the future.

I do

However, I can and will continue to advocate for those who are under the age of 18 to reconsider if they should make a tulpa.

I suppose that I was wrong

im almost 16 and ive been considering it for 3 months

That is very good